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Home › Commons › Conversations-Forums › Archived conversations, 2005-2007 › Evolutionary Nexus Community › Evolutionary Perspectives ›
Visions of the future
Submitted by Jennifer Atlee on January 22, 2006 - 02:07.
Core Questions:
- How do we relate to the evolutionary perspective into the future?
- What is our role in this process?
- How is evolution proceeding?
- What differing visions of the future do we hold?
The Transhumanist vision, for example, is potentially my worst nightmare and others' greatest hope. I suspect that is way too simplistic, and I want to explore more fully what those who chose to envision a preferred future and/or dystopia see – and how those visions relate to each other.
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My guess would be Wikipedia
What is a cyborg?
wow.
Thanks Lion! Finally got back here & took a ramble through "Future Imperfect" among other links (hey, the Organized culture link is broken)... I especially appreciate the section on possible future technology interactions (what the#@$? ;-)).
As a carbon being, I'm heading outside for a walk to digest this (always happens when I dabble in future possibilities - need to ground myself back in the world of trees and bugs and mud).
I'm a place-based human being, but it's because I telecommute that I can imbed myself in the localness that I love & still do the work I want to do... The OrganizedCulture conversation intrigues me… what excites me is the possibility of a flexible mutually-enriching set of communities-of-place and communities of practice/interest…{so you have friends by: interest, proximity, interest&proximity – the virtual doesn’t supplant but co-creates with the physical}…what disturbs me is the possibility of virtual community at expense of physical & the resulting degradation/loss of quality of the physical due to lack of care/attention (I don’t think this just happens at the limit – both scenarios are happening right now).
Back to “Future Imperfect”. I get (sometimes, at some level, anyway) the radicalness with which tech can/has/is/will change us & our world. What I get less is the extent to which 'we' can/cannot influence the pattern/direction that emerges. If 'we' is inevitably civil society/organized culture rather than top down govt/corporate control, I believe this is 'preferable'... and the extent to which we can play a role in the move toward increasing rich, complex, life supporting patterns, the 'better' (but what is 'life' going to be?).
Where is the non-human, non-silicon non-modified diversity of life in these future scenarios? non-existent? Yes, "As the rate of change increases, so does the rate at which knowledge depreciates", but what about wisdom & the multiplicity of intelligences non-human, kinetic, etc..?
I sense contradictions in my own views and I fluctuate between engaged open inquiry about possibilities and pain/fear about the possible loss of what I hold most beautiful & sacred. Feel free to call me on it if I’m closed-minded about stuff & I look forward to exploring new territory.
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I look forward to reading it!
The "soft technologies" such as "how to do Open Space," or ritual forms of gathering, and all these other things are just as important as the "hard technologies" of software and hardware.
I think I can intuit what you're talking about, but I'm eager to hear what you have to say.
Thank you Lion!
Transhumanist Vision
I've written about 5 drafts of a response. They all get too long or over-explanatory. So, here's my 5 minute version.
Basically, socially, I think we're going to start clustering into groups. Electronic communications will get 1000's of times easier, and physical position (where you live) will become much less important. We'll get a lot more mobile, not just with our computing devices, but in terms of where we live, how we work, etc., etc.,.
"Civil Society" is how we'll fix a lot of the problems we currently can't imagine the solutions to. I don't believe energy is going to be a catastrophy, because there are tons of technologies being made to address the energy issue. I appreciate the fear people have about it, but I'm personally not part of the scare. "Y2K bug."
We're not going to be driving cars all over the place. The energy problems posed by cars will be mooted by telecommuting. It's going to be like the "paperless office:" first, overhyped, and not real, and then gradually, something that slowly becomes reality.
I believe I know a lot of things about how technology is going to develop, and how technology is going to change us. It's horribly misleading to present an image of the future that doesn't include all the wacky things technology will introduce. I simply lack the time to describe it all here.
I recommend looking through the future wiki, which I contribute to some times. In a week and a half, my servers will be back online, and you can see the TaoRiver future wiki, that I have contributed much more to. I had a timeline on there, it's too bad the server is down right now. Another one is CommunityWiki:HiveMind. I also recommend "Future Imperfect," and for a look at what American society would look like if we had an economic crash (entirely plausible) and the technology revolution, Cory Doctorow's "Themepunks."
We used to say: "There will be robots. Oh yes, there will be robots." This was a joke, because people didn't believe us when we said there'd be human-shaped robots within our lifetime. "Hundreds and hundreds of years out..." ...remember when people said that? But people can see the videos from Japan, now, and know it's real.
Now I have to say: "There will by cyborgs. Oh yes, there will be cyborgs," because everyone knows about the robots, but is still skeptical about the cyborgs and virtual reality. And AI, too. It's all going to happen.
A common element
My edge.
Yay! Lion, thanks for your comments thus far & I look forward to your visions of the future. This is my growing edge. I'm basically clueless about the nuances in the visions of a posthuman world & I’m sure there are other visions I’d be surprised to discover exist & I REALLY want to learn/explore & see where there is common ground or not. That said, below are the visions that sit with me.
My dystopia is one where human technology continues in leaps & bounds beyond human wisdom and caring – and we end up with the capability to colonize other planets without learning how to live-well-with-others or even live-well-with-ourselves on this one (either us, or the learning silicon beings who we help to manifest) – or even end up with the urgent need to leave this planet far before the sun causes us to because we’ve sucked it dry.
My yearned for positive vision is one in which human wisdom & caring is advancing & integrating with human technology and the ethic is one of right-relationship with all of creation (along the lines of the holon) so that each creature/species/system is able to continue on its own evolutionary path. In this picture we are all moving toward a vibrant co-creative wisdom culture which works with the best of logic and of intuition, both the made & the grown, so, for instance…
My best-worst-case scenario (what I’d prefer to my dystopia) is that if we can’t manage to move toward a place of wisdom and whole-system caring that we become simply an interesting experiment that failed and we fold back under in geological time to become oil and archeology for whatever comes next.
Vision of the Future
I think that, by the Evolution's Arrow story, (which, if I understand right, is about alternating competition and order,) we are in the stage where figure out how to collect and to unite into a larger organism. (I need to study the Evolution's Arrow paper more carefully.)
Whether Evolution's Arrow is true or not, it's a good story, and something I can work with.
Our role here, by that story, again: as I understand it, is the collecting of kindred spirits. Finding our place. Figuring out what we are doing.
And connecting with likeminded groups. (That is, according to the story.) People assemble into groups, and the groups network and work together as an intelligent, functional whole.
I personally believe that the evolution is proceeding "just fine." I mean, I always wish it were faster. But it does seem to be working. Groups are forming on line. Social Software is a big hit. Bandwidth rates are going up. People are now calling each other long distance for free, using Skype. The software for self-organizing is popping up all over this place. The software we are using to communicate right now, for example, (Drupal,) is developed free, collaboratively, over the Internet. "Collective Intelligence" is working. Politicians have less time to respond, scandals are blown, bloggers carry stories that the mainstream media ignores.
As for vision of the future: I'll give my thoughts in a bit.
Yes!
Thank you so much Dana - so much richness in what you say here - I too got chills when you talk about holding the vision... And also thank you for your phrasing:
"it may be far more important to establish our relationship to the loom and the fabric (paradigm and myth) than it is to simply have a common myth...I'm not even sure having a common myth would be any progress at all unless we have also evolved a common capacity to be meta- myth- to hold our paradigms and myths as temporary stations an evolutionary process."
What you discribe is exactly what I hope to see come of the evolutionary perspective/story (& what the subtopic on perspectives was made for). I too have my own myths, night language, practices that work for me & through which I have committed to spirit. This meta-myth can hold that & yet it doesn't supplant it. If we move as you describe we truly hold something inclusive, generative, powerful - that connects without colonizing.
Bending the unfolding world
Dear Dana,
I'm in awe for what you wrote here and I specially 'subscribe' to your sentence:
"I have no doubt that if we hold a clear and resonant vision we will bend the unfolding world toward it."
For me that is what the Salon is really about.
Ria
Visions of the Future