Core Questions:

  • How do we relate to the evolutionary perspective into the future?
  • What is our role in this process?
  • How is evolution proceeding?
  • What differing visions of the future do we hold?

The Transhumanist vision, for example, is potentially my worst nightmare and others' greatest hope. I suspect that is way too simplistic, and I want to explore more fully what those who chose to envision a preferred future and/or dystopia see – and how those visions relate to each other.

My guess would be Wikipedia

My guess would be Wikipedia is the new dictionary you are looking for, Dana. Here is the definition of cyborg.

What is a cyborg?

Where is the new dictionary for those of us who have not been in the technical wave?

wow.

Thanks Lion! Finally got back here & took a ramble through "Future Imperfect" among other links (hey, the Organized culture link is broken)... I especially appreciate the section on possible future technology interactions (what the#@$? ;-)).

As a carbon being, I'm heading outside for a walk to digest this (always happens when I dabble in future possibilities - need to ground myself back in the world of trees and bugs and mud).

I'm a place-based human being, but it's because I telecommute that I can imbed myself in the localness that I love & still do the work I want to do... The OrganizedCulture conversation intrigues me… what excites me is the possibility of a flexible mutually-enriching set of communities-of-place and communities of practice/interest…{so you have friends by: interest, proximity, interest&proximity – the virtual doesn’t supplant but co-creates with the physical}…what disturbs me is the possibility of virtual community at expense of physical & the resulting degradation/loss of quality of the physical due to lack of care/attention (I don’t think this just happens at the limit – both scenarios are happening right now).

Back to “Future Imperfect”. I get (sometimes, at some level, anyway) the radicalness with which tech can/has/is/will change us & our world. What I get less is the extent to which 'we' can/cannot influence the pattern/direction that emerges. If 'we' is inevitably civil society/organized culture rather than top down govt/corporate control, I believe this is 'preferable'... and the extent to which we can play a role in the move toward increasing rich, complex, life supporting patterns, the 'better' (but what is 'life' going to be?).

Where is the non-human, non-silicon non-modified diversity of life in these future scenarios? non-existent?  Yes, "As the rate of change increases, so does the rate at which knowledge depreciates", but what about wisdom & the multiplicity of intelligences non-human, kinetic, etc..?

I sense contradictions in my own views and I fluctuate between engaged open inquiry about possibilities and pain/fear about the possible loss of what I hold most beautiful & sacred.  Feel free to call me on it if I’m closed-minded about stuff & I look forward to exploring new territory.

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I look forward to reading it!

The "soft technologies" such as "how to do Open Space," or ritual forms of gathering, and all these other things are just as important as the "hard technologies" of software and hardware.

I think I can intuit what you're talking about, but I'm eager to hear what you have to say.

Thank you Lion!

Thank you that you took the time to make this version, and thanks for all the links. I just read one, but it was worthwile! I come from a very different perspective, but I also think that "we are going to cluster into groups"; that we will become CircleBeings and that CircleBeings will have their unique CircleTasks. Maybe more on this later.

Transhumanist Vision

I've written about 5 drafts of a response. They all get too long or over-explanatory. So, here's my 5 minute version.

Basically, socially, I think we're going to start clustering into groups. Electronic communications will get 1000's of times easier, and physical position (where you live) will become much less important. We'll get a lot more mobile, not just with our computing devices, but in terms of where we live, how we work, etc., etc.,.

"Civil Society" is how we'll fix a lot of the problems we currently can't imagine the solutions to. I don't believe energy is going to be a catastrophy, because there are tons of technologies being made to address the energy issue. I appreciate the fear people have about it, but I'm personally not part of the scare. "Y2K bug."

We're not going to be driving cars all over the place. The energy problems posed by cars will be mooted by telecommuting. It's going to be like the "paperless office:" first, overhyped, and not real, and then gradually, something that slowly becomes reality.

I believe I know a lot of things about how technology is going to develop, and how technology is going to change us. It's horribly misleading to present an image of the future that doesn't include all the wacky things technology will introduce. I simply lack the time to describe it all here.

I recommend looking through the future wiki, which I contribute to some times. In a week and a half, my servers will be back online, and you can see the TaoRiver future wiki, that I have contributed much more to. I had a timeline on there, it's too bad the server is down right now. Another one is CommunityWiki:HiveMind. I also recommend "Future Imperfect," and for a look at what American society would look like if we had an economic crash (entirely plausible) and the technology revolution, Cory Doctorow's "Themepunks."

We used to say: "There will be robots. Oh yes, there will be robots." This was a joke, because people didn't believe us when we said there'd be human-shaped robots within our lifetime. "Hundreds and hundreds of years out..." ...remember when people said that? But people can see the videos from Japan, now, and know it's real.

Now I have to say: "There will by cyborgs. Oh yes, there will be cyborgs," because everyone knows about the robots, but is still skeptical about the cyborgs and virtual reality. And AI, too. It's all going to happen.

A common element

Thank you all for your comments... Shaping a common vision... where the shaping of that commonality asks to be done in a different way than we have done before..... "Connects without colonizing" ....how do we avoid becoming the Borg without melting into the post-modern soup where 'relativity' becomes the permeating invisible tyrant. We had a great conversation at the salon that looked at 'taking a stand' for basic issues so that we morally stood in integrity and could build some common ground – and yet without becoming dogmatic, rigid or closed. Can we take a stand without taking a position? Viewing points vs points of view... and yet someone challenged us to move beyond the waffling wishy washy ‘left’ that can’t stand up for anything. Should we take a stand for something as basic as life and life affirming? And then right away we have ‘every sperm is sacred’ and the rejection of death and its deep teachings. I am chewing on all this- still with the feeling that there is a common element but that it is less like earth (with plots and fortresses to protect them) and more like water- a milieu (the fish able to at last recognize the water) and something flowing amongst us. I woke this morning with the strong impression that our ‘movement’ ( a moving of energy in the world rather than a projecting forth of a pre-established platform) could shift the world quickly if we could find ways to move like water- to permeate, to flow through and around, to move with the urgency and efficiency of gravity – finding every nook and cranny to go through and around the massive obstacles, bending and winding through the streets....everywhere joining other streams of flowing water moving toward the sea who refuses no river. The other metaphor that sticks with me comes from way back in my college days (early 80’s) when I was studying post modernism...crabgrass. Crabgrass spreads like crazy and crops up everywhere- it is the force of life bursting through the pavement.... I want to think more about the visions you have just put forth...thank you for your thoughts

My edge.

Yay! Lion, thanks for your comments thus far & I look forward to your visions of the future. This is my growing edge. I'm basically clueless about the nuances in the visions of a posthuman world & I’m sure there are other visions I’d be surprised to discover exist & I REALLY want to learn/explore & see where there is common ground or not. That said, below are the visions that sit with me.

My dystopia is one where human technology continues in leaps & bounds beyond human wisdom and caring – and we end up with the capability to colonize other planets without learning how to live-well-with-others or even live-well-with-ourselves on this one (either us, or the learning silicon beings who we help to manifest) – or even end up with the urgent need to leave this planet far before the sun causes us to because we’ve sucked it dry.

My yearned for positive vision is one in which human wisdom & caring is advancing & integrating with human technology and the ethic is one of right-relationship with all of creation (along the lines of the holon) so that each creature/species/system is able to continue on its own evolutionary path. In this picture we are all moving toward a vibrant co-creative wisdom culture which works with the best of logic and of intuition, both the made & the grown, so, for instance…

  • The useful parts of allopathic medicine are embedded into a more homeopathic system working with the concept of wellness.
  • Our agriculture develops along the holistic lines of the Land Institute and permaculture, taking advantage of mechanical seed sorting and automated watering systems
  • We enhance our collective learning & knowing through the internet (and/or whatever it becomes) but as an enhancement not detriment to our physical selves & communities, so we can have both healthy active communities of practice that are widespread geographically and healthy active communities of place to nurture & be nurtured by…
  • We have the time to be present to ourselves and all that is unfolding.

My best-worst-case scenario (what I’d prefer to my dystopia) is that if we can’t manage to move toward a place of wisdom and whole-system caring that we become simply an interesting experiment that failed and we fold back under in geological time to become oil and archeology for whatever comes next.

Vision of the Future

I think that, by the Evolution's Arrow story, (which, if I understand right, is about alternating competition and order,) we are in the stage where figure out how to collect and to unite into a larger organism. (I need to study the Evolution's Arrow paper more carefully.)

Whether Evolution's Arrow is true or not, it's a good story, and something I can work with.

Our role here, by that story, again: as I understand it, is the collecting of kindred spirits. Finding our place. Figuring out what we are doing.

And connecting with likeminded groups. (That is, according to the story.) People assemble into groups, and the groups network and work together as an intelligent, functional whole.

I personally believe that the evolution is proceeding "just fine." I mean, I always wish it were faster. But it does seem to be working. Groups are forming on line. Social Software is a big hit. Bandwidth rates are going up. People are now calling each other long distance for free, using Skype. The software for self-organizing is popping up all over this place. The software we are using to communicate right now, for example, (Drupal,) is developed free, collaboratively, over the Internet. "Collective  Intelligence" is working. Politicians have less time to respond, scandals are blown, bloggers carry stories that the mainstream media ignores.

As for vision of the future: I'll give my thoughts in a bit.

Yes!

Thank you so much Dana - so much richness in what you say here - I too got chills when you talk about holding the vision... And also thank you for your phrasing:

"it may be far more important to establish our relationship to the loom and the fabric (paradigm and myth) than it is to simply have a common myth...I'm not even sure having a common myth would be any progress at all unless we have also evolved a common capacity to be meta- myth- to hold our paradigms and myths as temporary stations an evolutionary process."

What you discribe is exactly what I hope to see come of the evolutionary perspective/story (& what the subtopic on perspectives was made for).  I too have my own myths, night language, practices that work for me & through which I have committed to spirit. This meta-myth can hold that & yet it doesn't supplant it. If we move as you describe we truly hold something inclusive, generative, powerful - that connects without colonizing.

Bending the unfolding world

Dear Dana,

I'm in awe for what you wrote here and I specially 'subscribe' to your sentence:

"I have no doubt that if we hold a clear and resonant vision we will bend the unfolding world toward it."

For me that is what the Salon is really about.

Ria 

Visions of the Future

I am struck by the phrase "Those who choose to envision a preferred future". I think that we are always shaping the future by what we are thinking, or not thinking, about it. Huge potentials are lost for lack of concieving the possibility while nightmares are lived out through inertia and despair. Susan, who I was thrilled to meet at the Salon, did her Doctorate thesis on the power of collectively held Images of the Future (IOF). "The IOF concept emerged from trans-disciplinary historical studies in the late 50's indicating that the single factor correlated with the successful reorganization of a civilization in transformational breakdown was the existence of a coherent and compelling Image of the Future held by a marginalized creative minority (typically more developmentally complex than the majority". I have no doubt that if we hold a clear and resonant vision we will bend the unfolding world toward it. A strong vision is a 'strange attractor' that creates a kind of gravity from the future. So how do we create a strong collective vision? I think the "great story" may be one very helpful way to integrate science and religion, and perhaps it can also serve as a uniting cultural story. For myself personally, I believe in God and have devoted my life to the path of Yoga, so the "Great Story" for me is not the loom of my meaning. I find the story awe-inspiring, informative and generative. It is also something I support as a loom for a common social fabric. I think I see it kind of like a global second language- each culture has their own mythic constellations, but we draw from the great story as our common 'myth' - primarily because science already IS a common language. To me what the great story does is free science from its Baconian dogmatism and allows it to be an enterprise of heart. It addresses what so many are yearning for in "Intelligent Design", but without undermining the enterprise of science as that approach does. Science in some other cultures has evolved without such a separation from a holism which includes the psyche and spirit- chinese medicine for instance. Our science evolved with strict avoidance of soul,psyche and spirit because that was our unspoken compromise with the church- we divided the arenas. The church could handle the matters of the soul while science could address matter and the body. So the great story mends that rift. But for me the most important reason why I support the great story is that I think we as human being need VASTNESS of time and space, history and scale- in order to awaken to who we are. In my loom of meaning the entire cycle of material creation is 'a blink of the eye of Brahma'- and yet the Divine is embodied fully 'center everywhere, circumference nowhere'- so we are both ephemeral and eternal, a glorious fusion of matter, energy and consciousness. On the other hand, it may be far more important to establish our relationship to the loom and the fabric (paradigm and myth) than it is to simply have a common myth. I'm not even sure having a common myth would be any progress at all unless we have also evolved a common capacity to be meta- myth- to hold our paradigms and myths as temporary stations an evolutionary process.